Mar 7, 2010

What do you bring to the table?

Hello again, friends. Lot of topics to blog about, most notably the NCAA tournament. I know I say this every year, but I really mean it this time: This is the weakest bubble (or dare I say, the weakest field) I have ever seen. Some examples:
- Notre Dame, who lost at home to Loyola Marymount, is considered in with 1 win in the Big East tourney.
- Wake Forest, who has lost thier last 5 games, is considered in;
- St Mary's, who can't get over the hump and beat Gonzaga, is just sitting around and at this point is in as others flail aroudn them (Dayton, UConn, Illinois, Ga Tech....)
- Va Tech is in with the 340th (yes, that's right) toughest out-of-conference schedule
- You will all crap your pants on Sunday when New Mexico is listed as a 2 seed....their coach? Steve Alford.....who took Iowa to the NCAAs in 2006 as a #3 seed.......and this is what happened....
- And Vanderbilt (who just lost at home to a weak team) is a 3, Kansas St (who lost at home to Iowa St) is a 2, and Duke - who has won 1 road game this year against a top 50 opponent - is a #1.

Maryland is playing their way nicely to a protected seed - maybe a #4 in Jacksonville? - against a #13 seed like.....Akron or Kent. Batten down the hatches in Vegas.

Anyway, more bubble talk later.

Let's turn out thoughts toward the table games....and I wanted to collect your thoughts on how much you bring to a table for a session? For instance, there is a $10 blackjack table open. What are you taking out of your wallet when you sit down?

To the games:

Craps: The hard one first. I used to think that $100 was sufficient at a $5 table - but not anymore. To feel comfortable, I think $200 at a $5 table would last you through a lot of bad luck. So that's 40x the minimum bet......
....but I don't follow this advice at the higher levels. That's just too much, and as the limits get higher, I become more conservative.

So - my rule of thumb:

40x the minimum for $5, and I need to do this for a $10 table too.
30x for $15 and up. That's now $750 for a drunken Sat night craps run......wow.

Blackjack: Well, you are talking to someone who made $20 last for 2 hours at a $5 table in Green Bay back in 1998. I think $125 is good for a $5 table to weather the storm - that's 25x. Does this translate? No, not really. At higher levels ($15 and up), I just take 20x. And I don't even do that at a $25 table.

My rule for 2010:
20x the minimum for blackjack.

Pai Gow/Pai Gow Poker: Given the small variance in this game (unless your last name is Dietrich), I think 12x is fine. This is $300 for a $25 table, which is about right.
12x-15x the minimum here.

Ultimate Texas Holdem: The granddaddy of them all. A great article on my new favorite website shows some good statistical details on this game. This looks at the probability of busting out vs. doubling up (or winning a pre-determined amount of money). With a starting bankroll of only 20 antes, it's a 33% chance that you bust out in 3 hours. With a larger starting bankroll, you stay in the game longer (obviously) and have a better chance of getting a profit at some time.

There is a 1.5% to bust out after 3 hours if you bring 100 antes to the table - that $500 for a $5 game! I can't do that. I don't think I can do 50x - $500 for a $10 table? I think 40x is the right level for me.

Roulette: Oh for God's sake, take $100 and enjoy the ride. No analysis here. If I need to put something, how about 20x the minimum.

Sports: There's really no set rule here - we can do the statisical analysis that I laid out two years ago to determine an appropriate level of wagering at the book. I hope to decrease the number of wagers this year (again) and place larger bets on the lower number of tickets. We'll see if I have the self discipline to do that.

Let's see some comments now, gentlemen (and ladies). It's less than two weeks and no one is commenting.

4 comments:

Sweet said...

1) You think too much.
2) Are you setting your starting limit under the assumption that you are going to lose?
3) I'm going to kick you and your brother in the nuts (nice try, but karma is a bitch, and the gooch does not like to be used that way)

Schillzilla said...

Well then sweet - ok! :) I'll play along Eric.

BlackJack
I don't think as much as you (x times the minimum bet, etc) - I only went to a state school. My thought process is much more relative to my current budget for the day. So I'll think about how I'm doing for the current day, and then go in accordingly. Also how long I think I'd like to play (what time of the day it is etc). Then I'll buy in for anywhere between 160 to 300 depending on the table limits. Although this year I may take the Wiz strategy and buy in for more(500 or 600) just to help with the comp ratings. Even if I don't plan on truly putting those chips into play. I may need to discuss this more. Thoughts?

Craps
Again at a five dollar table I'll buy in for at least 200 or 300 bucks. Assuming I have that cash on hand at the moment!

UTH
Ugh, this game killed me on the last trip. I was winning (modestly - but still) at EVERYTHING else last year, but this game accounted for almost all of my losses. So who knows. I'm reading up a little more this year so I have a better sense of how to play. I'll probably buy in for 200 to 300 and hope for the best.

Sportsbook
I don't go crazy here. Neither in volume or in single amounts wagered on a game. The most I'll put on a game would be around 110. I also don't really look to bet every single game on the board (*cough* Eric *cough*). So I'll generally wager between 20 and 100 bucks on a handful of games that I like. I also tend to do much better on day 1 and day 2 then day 3 and 4 since I have put far more studying into the first round - whereas round 2 always feels like a Finals exam week cram session.

I can't wait!! Went 3 for 3 in this weekends college hoops action, so I'm sure I'll get slaughtered in Vegas.

laurad said...

I never give this much thought to my buy-in amount for table games. Blackjack, pai gow, UTH, etc are all hand to hand and allow a re-buy at any time without interrupting the flow of the game. Unless you want to over buy-in for the comps, I'd much rather keep my money in my wallet than put it on the table. (as an aside--do we know for sure that the buy-in amount affects the comps? I always thought it was the amt you played per hand. Insight, Wiz?)

There are really only 2 games where your buy-in amount is important: craps and poker. Other than that, I don't really think it matters much.

Layup said...

I too look only at loss limits as my guidepost. I have though started to increase the amount I buy in for since I was only buying in for $300 at a $10 table, knowing that I bet $60 per roll. For BJ, I'll buy in now for at least $200 at a $10 table and $400 at a $25 table.

But I keep a closer eye on my overall loss limit as an indication of how much I will play for.